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J: Joe Cambray
G: Dr. George Hogenson
J: Hello. I'm Joe Cambray, President and CEO of Pacifica Graduate Institute and it's my great honour and pleasure to interview my colleague, friend and fellow analyst George Hogenson. George and I have known each other for many years and share many common interests. We think differently but we often concur on the deeper issues. And so I'm looking forward to this. It's rather exciting to have this opportunity to talk to George in depth. I wanted to start, George, with history on several different levels. One is, of course, your interest in the whole world of depth psychology. But you represent a rather unique breed in a way, that you came to the whole issue of the relationship between Freud and Jung not through analytic practice but as a scholar. And while there's more currency in that in the contemporary world now, at the time in 1983 when your book first came out, Jung's Struggle with Freud, it was rather an unusual book. And I thought maybe you could tell us a little about that.
G: Everyone has a different story about how they became involved with Jung, but I did not set out to be involved with Jung. I did not read Memories, Dreams, Reflections, and think I had discovered some extraordinary life-changing text. My original field of work was Buddhist philosophy, and Western philosophy as well. But Japanese Buddhist philosophy, as an undergraduate. I then did one year of graduate study in East Asian languages and literature at Yale before going on active duty in the Air Force for four years. The day before I left Yale I stopped by Yale Press and picked up Paul Ricoeur's book Freud and Philosophy, which was one of a small set of books I took with me into the Air Force. Ricoeur's book was extremely important. I'd read Ricoeur prior to that because I was interested in the philosophy of religion. But Freud and Philosophy had an enormous impact on me. When I returned to Yale in 1975, I went directly into the philosophy department, but by