DISCUSSION: Dr. Ludwig Eidelberg spoke about early procedures in analytic training in Europe, pointing out that some analysts, including Wilhelm Reich and Adler, had felt the original analyst was the best choice for supervision as he understood the countertransference; others, including Dr. Eidelberg, favored a separation of analysis and supervision. Dr. Leo Orenstein spoke of the years that Dr. Lorand worked with Drs. Paul Schilder and Fritz Wittels at Bellevue Hospital, where they were an inspiration to many psychiatrists who went on to become psychoanalytic teachers and educators. At Bellevue Dr. Lorand was known as the 'fighting Hungarian', an epithet that well describes the enthusiasm that he has put into working for psychoanalysis in the United States.