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This video explores the controversial debate between Daniel Stern and Andre Green at a conference on the 1st November 1997 at UCL, under the auspices of the Psychoanalysis unit. The video visually explores the different epistemological position presented by the two speakers: On the one hand, that knowledge of psychic life may be gleaned from infant observation; on the other, knowledge of the unconscious may only be known, après coup, as afterwardsness, in an analysis. This video visually explores this debate and concludes with a discussion by psychoanalysts who have been respondents to this controversy in a formal capacity.