I reply to Kenneth A. Frank and Kim Bernstein in an attempt to ferret out genuine agreements and disagreements. The basic disagreement, as I see it, concerns the theoretical foundational implications of Kohut's self-selfobject conceptualization. The selfobject, whether experienced as part of the self or not (their argument is that in the beginning it was solely a one-person model), in my view referred to a person outside who was essential to the development of the self, creating the fundamental underpinnings of a relational/structural model, subsequently to be developed into a full relational model.