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In response to Dr Triest's discussion of his article, Dr Shapiro focuses on the way polarised relationships might be integrated in the process of joining an institutional mission. Any effort to listen across polarisation (“How are they right?”) requires containment of aggression and the discovery of a shared task, a third perspective to the dyad in opposition. Dr Shapiro offers, as an example of listening across polarisation, his own effort as an American citizen to find himself in Donald Trump.