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This report with two voices, from which extracts of presentations have been selected, sets out to deconstruct the paradoxes and the ambiguities of the notion of perversion. By arguing that perversion is co-existential with the human condition, the reporters develop their conception of “neoteny” and of the “appetite for excitation”, which leads them to reveal under perversion, a mother-version. This research invites psychoanalysis to better understand the anthropological acceleration that is underway.